爵士果真要出Kanter了..

但......爵士要求的條件竟然是"至少一個年輕球員"加上"一個首輪選秀權"...

這......前者有點籠統我想不去追問, 但後者讓我疑惑了, Kanter真值一個首輪選秀權嗎?

NBA應該有許多看得出細微的專家, 不太可能看不出來Kanter已經不在爵士輪替的主力中了..

一個不屬於主力, 明年又是quality offer的球員, 爵士怎敢喊出這樣的條件?

他的心已經不在爵士了, 爵士球團有需要將門檻墊這麼高嗎..真不太懂.. 

首輪有很多種啊...比如騎士要是出首輪+Dellavedova, 要是我是爵士GM, 三秒就掛電話

其他隊沒保護20順位至少也保護到樂透, 爵士是有賺到什麼?

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warrenlouie:

爵士果真要出Kanter了..

但......爵士要求的條件竟然是"至少一個年輕球員"加上"一個首輪選秀權"...

這......前者有點籠統我想不去追問, 但後者讓我疑惑了, Kanter真值一個首輪選秀權嗎?

NBA應該有許多看得出細微的專家, 不太可能看不出來Kanter已經不在爵士輪替的主力中了..

一個不屬於主力, 明年又是quality offer的球員, 爵士怎敢喊出這樣的條件?

他的心已經不在爵士了, 爵士球團有需要將門檻墊這麼高嗎..真不太懂.. 

@WojYahooNBA
Executives say Utah has significant threshold for Enes Kanter deal
- including young player, 1st rounder, etc - but several teams pursuing.

 

有一點要澄清

kanter 沒有被爵士放棄過，就算大家都看出來 kanter 沒有融入 snyder 的系統

 

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Kawakami Rinitsu:

我現在傾向這一切都是為了錢, Kanter 希望在夏天能有一張 Max-Deal

其實去年夏天, Jazz 的報價也不是讓人滿意:

Here's how far apart Jazz and Enes Kanter were last fall: Utah offered 4 years, $32M, but Kanter's camp wanted Hayward-type money.

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Bjork本人就是音樂!

_ With talks between the Thunder and the Nets for a Brook Lopez deal apparently dead, it would not surprise me to see OKC go after disgruntled Jazz center Enes Kanter, who is doing little more than complaining while getting in the way of Rudy Gobert. Kanter will be a restricted free agent at the end of the season, and it is doubtful the Jazz will be inclined to match. So if they can move him now and get back a future No. 1 pick, they should go for it. Oklahoma City has already traded away it’s No. 1 pick in 2015, but moving a 2017 first-round pick (with declining lottery protection) along with Kendrick Perkins (and perhaps Jeremy Lamb) would give them a center to pair with Steven Adams moving forward while also getting them below the dreaded luxury tax threshold. It would be a definite roster upgrade for a team currently ninth in the West, and let’s face it … the Thunder have this year and next year to win a championship, or else Kevin Durant is a goner. Here are two variations of a Kanter-Perkins deal from the ESPN trade machine, version I and version 2.

Read more at:

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/02/17/sheridan-trade-deadline-lookahead-kanter-to-thunder/#iAbZapilyjTl6V11.99

Jeremy Lamb and Reggie Jackson ?

Oh, Noooooooooo ...

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Bjork本人就是音樂!

Kawakami Rinitsu:

Kawakami Rinitsu:

我現在傾向這一切都是為了錢, Kanter 希望在夏天能有一張 Max-Deal

其實去年夏天, Jazz 的報價也不是讓人滿意:

Here's how far apart Jazz and Enes Kanter were last fall: Utah offered 4 years, $32M, but Kanter's camp wanted Hayward-type money.

爵士為了鞏固領導中心, 談續約不會給超過Favors的4年4800萬, 簽FA不會超過Hayward的4年6300萬

不過只給Kanter 800萬/年, 雖說他的行情價可能不高, 但也太少了點

連Burks都給4年4100萬了...

如果以上屬實, 經紀人那時開始找交易機會也是人之常情

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Kanter如預期在交易截止日前被送走了，關於換回來的籌碼，我不知道，幾位同是爵士迷是怎麼看的，

我總覺得沒有預期的好，因為Perkins我是覺得至少能教Favors和Rudy，為何要買斷?? 至於Tibor Pleiss和Jerrett則是實力待開發

的新秀， 另外是選秀權，至少得換回不保護簽吧，那首輪的不但是雷霆的，而且還保護，我還有一問，Lindsey是不

是只會選秀而已 ?? 因為他到猶他來，基本上交易的模式，好像都只是吃垃圾約，然後換選秀權回來 

kirilenko47:

Lindsey是不是只會選秀而已 ??

好像都只是吃垃圾約，然後換選秀權回來 

鹽湖城那邊幾乎有 70-80% 的人傾向是 "不交易"

這條 rumor 有傳過，所以球迷大多都不理會 (畢竟以前 koc 100% 會取消那些洩漏出去的)

而交易真的發生時...說其實也沒有特別驚訝的感覺

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意義上來說是 #core4 瓦解了，感覺總是不好的

跟交易掉 ronnie b 還有不續約 korver 很相近，第一時間也沒法去想優缺點

 

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說實在，要不是 kanter 喊賣我

爵士這季也沒有交易的必要

從根本上來說是 "為交易而交易"

補強性質之類..就免了吧

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恭喜雷霆 & goodbye enes..

 

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由 Jazz 的觀點看, 如果是不得不送走 Kanter 的情況下, 這算是過得去的交易(因為這幾個原先根本不是 Presti 鎖定的對象), 重點是藉由這個 Trade, 使得薪資結構更有彈性, 重建的速度可望再加快, 我推測在未來的選秀會上, General Manager Dennis Lindsey 會藉由交易得到已經成熟的球員

 

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Bjork本人就是音樂!

以爵士為觀點的話..目前大概可以分兩派來看

 

1. 以 "過去" 狀況跟 #3 pick 價值為立場

普遍給予低評價，球迷更是不滿到極點

換來的首輪不僅要等到兩年之後才知道，限制多又麻煩

交易也不對等，不只把好的資產送人打季後賽

得到的還馬上丟掉並幫忙付錢讓他替別人打球

 

2. 無視過去，多以 "現在" 跟 "未來" 做評估

這部分是少數看法 (kevin pelton 給予爵士 a- 評價，給雷霆 d 活塞 c)

認為這筆交易使薪資結構更完整 (今夏也許會挖腳或者大交易)

加上爵士近來的表現有所提升全靠他們在防守端的進步

僅以這點來看的話，kanter 的離去不見得會對球隊有太大影響

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粗略看Kanter換了未來保護首輪, Novak換了二輪, 當然都稱的上賠售, 以爵士球迷來說很難接受...DL應該沒那麼腦殘材才對?

於是我轉向相信第三種可能性: Tibor Pleiss好棒棒說

這次交易有道配菜是爵士要到Tibor Pleiss簽約權, 這位是誰呢? 他是目前歐洲豪門巴塞隆納隊的中鋒, 2010年二輪31順位, 屬於突然抽高型, 不斷在長高...等於Tomic二號, 爵士打包了巴塞隆納雙塔

他選秀時是非常看好的sleeper, 雷霆花了300萬買他的簽約權, 並留他在歐洲練, 他的步法輕巧能內能外, 八成以上罰球命中率, 射程遠達三分, 還一個重點是他不斷在長高, 2010年選秀時7呎, 現在已經長到7呎3(218公分, Tomic是217公分), 德國人=工作努力(work hard)的保證

爵士Ingles打過多年巴塞隆納, 是否透過他牽線給Pleiss高評價, 並獲他來爵士的承諾? 下一季爵士不只有Gobert, 還有7-3的Pleiss, 構成大型歐洲雙塔? 

所以我看成Kanter 換Pleiss, 雷霆還貼了個首輪, 這麼看爵士是賺才對...好啦, 他也可能跟Tomic一樣一輩子不來爵士, 不過Tomic是先發打爽爽不肯來, 而Pleiss是Tomic的替補並且過23歲爵士花多少錢簽都可以, 我想暑假看到他的機會還不小

DL當GM一生最好的決定, 也許就發生在第一年, 由金塊手中買下Gobert, 也許第二好的決定, 會是從雷霆要來Pleiss? 讓我們繼續看下去

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gobert 升上先發之後的第一場

帳面數字並不算太好，實際上卻有相當分量的影響力

yucca man (前幾年調侃 ty corbin 跟艾武帝那位) 最佳註解：

 

Rudy Gobert scored 4 points, had 7 rebounds, and threw out 2 assists.

And he manhandled the Blazers.

It wasn't just the 5 blocks either ... it's the way he disrupts everything opponents try to do offensively. It's the way he's there in the post, and the Blazers dribble in, then turn around and run away ... Exum-style (sorry, Dante). It's the way his attitude infects his teammates into tough, scrambling, scrappy, vicious defense.

This is AK-in-his-prime level of game-changing. And the dude's just 22.

And in the end, this is why Enes Kanter both hoped to be traded (it was never a demand) and the Jazz were willing to do so. Rudy Gobert changes everything.

Two plays showed exactly how much little things like nice passes make a difference:

　•Rudy's 50-foot pass to Booker after Booker blocked LMA.
　•Rudy's ridiculous bounce-pass in the lane to Hayward.

This is the stuff that is game-changing, team-changing, culture-changing, and potentially season-changing. Can a guy score only 4 points and be the best player on the court? Yes. A million times, yes.

 

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看了今天打拓荒者，可以看出Gobert的防守影響是很大的，他把Aldridge給打傻了，上次在玫瑰花園被他這樣予取予求，防守的人似乎是Kanter，

可是現在不同，只是Rudy的經驗還太少，因為他第一節太早foul trouble了，還好後來有補回來， 如果今年夏天Pleiss加盟，光看高度，那基本

上嚇死人，還有，今天的直播有個畫面，沒有看清楚，那就是Lindsey上任後，透過交易換來了不少的選秀權，不知道誰有抓到，我知道，我們現

在不能坦，就是要這樣做也來不及，只是，以現在的順位，雖然還早，但不知道是該選怎樣的球員

 PS:選秀的機率是不是改變了??薪資上限額度是不是也要改了?? 

Jazz.Q:

gobert 升上先發之後的第一場

帳面數字並不算太好，實際上卻有相當分量的影響力

yucca man (前幾年調侃 ty corbin 跟艾武帝那位) 最佳註解：

 

Rudy Gobert scored 4 points, had 7 rebounds, and threw out 2 assists.

And he manhandled the Blazers.

It wasn't just the 5 blocks either ... it's the way he disrupts everything opponents try to do offensively. It's the way he's there in the post, and the Blazers dribble in, then turn around and run away ... Exum-style (sorry, Dante). It's the way his attitude infects his teammates into tough, scrambling, scrappy, vicious defense.

This is AK-in-his-prime level of game-changing. And the dude's just 22.

And in the end, this is why Enes Kanter both hoped to be traded (it was never a demand) and the Jazz were willing to do so. Rudy Gobert changes everything.

Two plays showed exactly how much little things like nice passes make a difference:

　•Rudy's 50-foot pass to Booker after Booker blocked LMA.
　•Rudy's ridiculous bounce-pass in the lane to Hayward.

This is the stuff that is game-changing, team-changing, culture-changing, and potentially season-changing. Can a guy score only 4 points and be the best player on the court? Yes. A million times, yes.

 

以上就是過去幾個月我一直在說的...

時間回到2013年2月, Favors的第三年, Kanter的第二年中

既然兩位#3是爵士未來禁區的基石, 那為什麼過了交易大限, Al Jefferson跟Paul Millsap都還在?

1. 烤餅要留Al跟Paul拼季後賽

2. KOC聽了幾個報價都不理想, 就這麼算了

那季剩下的比賽Favors平均25分鐘替補, Kanter則是15分鐘替補...就如同今年之前的Gobert

Kanter第二年在爵士平均上場15:23分鐘, 不滿是有道理的

然後KOC下台, DL今年遇上同樣問題: 如果長期計劃是Gobert(跟Kanter那時一樣第二年), 那過交易大限Kanter如果還在的話理由是?

DL不把報價都不理想當理由, 狠下心結束惡性循環, GJ

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