buo818:

The truth is, without concerning about winning games, even Ricky Davis can score around 50 points, actually his career high is 45.  But does it matter? Does Ricky help his team a lot? He couldn't even bring his team in playoff

Did Ricky Davis score 45 consistantly?  or did he ever avg. more than 6 reb? or 6 assists?  how can you compare a selfish,one demension player to a all-around player?  You are using a player who shot at his own basket and miss purposely to get a rebound on his stats so he can get a triple-double, please use someone who is worthy to be mentioned in the same sentance.

buo818:

The truth is, without concerning about winning games, even Ricky Davis can score around 50 points, actually his career high is 45.  But does it matter? Does Ricky help his team a lot? He couldn't even bring his team in playoff

Shot selection is what matters.  MJ's shot selection is so efficient his FG% is even better than a lot of centers.  You take away those 2 wizard years MJ's career FG% is actually about 51%, 48% during the playoffs.

There are Ricky Davis' ways to score 50, and there are Michael Jordan's ways to score 50.  Unlike any other SG in the nba history MJ does it with style and efficiency.

Year	Team	G	GS	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	OFF	DEF	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
05-06	CLE	13	13	46.5	0.476	0.333	0.737	1.7	6.4	8.1	5.8	1.4	0.7	5.00	3.40	30.8
06-07	CLE	20	20	44.7	0.416	0.280	0.755	1.3	6.8	8.1	8.0	1.7	0.5	3.30	2.00	25.1
07-08	CLE	13	13	42.5	0.411	0.257	0.731	1.2	6.6	7.8	7.6	1.8	1.3	4.15	2.50	28.2

Numbers don't lie.  Lebron has to add something to his games or his FG% will remain around low 40% when he played against real defense 

your_airness:

JC莊:

宇宙超級環球無敵的「喬丹大帝」在NBA生涯的前3~4年間,  也曾被某些人評為「不過是個體能勁爆的得分機器而已.......」

 

It's true MJ's bulls didn't win much during his first 3 years (if you really want to count 1986, he broke his foot and only played 18 games in that season), didn't reach final like LBJ at age 25.  But once he entered the NBA in 1985 he proved he was totally unstoppable.  Can you say the same thing about KING JAMES ???  Does KING JAMES make you feel he can score 50 on any team he wants ??? 

You are comparing LBJ with the greatest player of all time.... I think just to be mentioned in the same sentance with MJ is the highest compliment already and to be compare with him???  unthinkable.   How great will LBJ be?  we will just have to wait till LBJ achieve greatness, such milestone can be NBA championships, regular season and playoff MVP, all-star MVP,scoring title, ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM, LBJ is young and has long ways to go.  

Personally, I don't think LBJ or Kobe are even close to MJ at this moment, but we will just have to wait to see if LBJ can mature into a true winner, as Kobe has already fail miserably by pissing off his teammates off, try to be the man that he is not ready for.  Scoring is not everything, just look at Iceman, Alex English,Bernard king, Dominique, they will get respect, but not even close to be mentioned with the greatest of all time.

His airness is and will be the greatest of all time for a long time.

As for the friend below who use Ricky Davis to compare with LBJ , here is someone for you - Quinton Dailey( the pizza man) 

your_airness:

buo818:

The truth is, without concerning about winning games, even Ricky Davis can score around 50 points, actually his career high is 45.  But does it matter? Does Ricky help his team a lot? He couldn't even bring his team in playoff

Shot selection is what matters.  MJ's shot selection is so efficient his FG% is even better than a lot of centers.  You take away those 2 wizard years MJ's career FG% is actually about 51%, 48% during the playoffs.

There are Ricky Davis' ways to score 50, and there are Michael Jordan's ways to score 50.  Unlike any other SG in the nba history MJ does it with style and efficiency.

Year	Team	G	GS	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	OFF	DEF	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
05-06	CLE	13	13	46.5	0.476	0.333	0.737	1.7	6.4	8.1	5.8	1.4	0.7	5.00	3.40	30.8
06-07	CLE	20	20	44.7	0.416	0.280	0.755	1.3	6.8	8.1	8.0	1.7	0.5	3.30	2.00	25.1
07-08	CLE	13	13	42.5	0.411	0.257	0.731	1.2	6.6	7.8	7.6	1.8	1.3	4.15	2.50	28.2

Numbers don't lie.  Lebron has to add something to his games or his FG% will remain around low 40% when he played against real defense 

Love it... finally someone who can layout the facts instead just shooting out of their mouth

我也覺得只是肌肉棒子，而且他投球姿勢不太好看，灌籃沒有美感。不過我比較正面的看法，請問有他這樣的肌肉棒子，世上有幾個，他除了肌肉棒子外，他還有一直進步，可以進步到何種程度，這就是好玩之處了，大腦是可以進化的，也許幾年後，他就可以成為神、KB後的第一把交椅，所以給他一點時間，

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我的部落格

這篇文真有趣...每個球員都能套用耶...有點像大家來接龍...

Nash 不過是隊友剛好都投進他傳的球而已...

Reggie Miller 不過是因為太瘦所以只能練投籃而已...

Jason Kidd 不過是後衛又剛好長得高一點而已...

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「Everyone wants to win, but not everyone is willing to prepare to win」

開版的只想出名，他目的達到了！

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不管76人變的如何，我永遠支持！
『台灣棋界』加油！

「肌肉棒子」是優勢之一，是生存強項之一，它跟「技巧」並立，有它應享有的一定肯定。 你怎樣評價「肌肉棒子」在實力裡頭的成色%？  或怎麼評價「肌肉棒子」 vs. 「技巧」的重要性%？  這些都跟你的主觀喜好及主觀看法有關。

看球賽，不管是看 NBA、MLB、奧運的國對國的各競賽 ... 等比賽，若少了主觀喜好及主觀看法，那就失了韻味，也提不起勁。尤其，若少了主觀喜好及主觀看法，你就不是一個「人」、你也少了投入的熱誠、你也只是一個人云亦云的人。因此，各抒己見、贊同或不贊同「肌肉棒子」的定義或價值性，本身都沒有錯。

以下我不談  L. James。 由於我是「中鋒論」的球迷，故我只談中鋒。而在我眼裡，古來今往最「肌肉棒子」的中鋒，恐怕非  S. O'Neal  這一位球員莫屬，故以下我從「我看  S. O'Neal  」來談「肌肉棒子」這個角度的話題。

在我長年自己打籃球、看 NBA 球賽、以及對「籃球」這一項運動的價值觀裡，我認為，打籃球要用智慧、用大腦及用技巧。 S. O'Neal  的天賦「肌肉棒子」是他的強項，這是很直接及有力競爭武器，沒必要據以削弱或否定他的場上影響力及成就地位，但也不必過分強調他的技巧。

老實說，從我個人的角度來說的話，我認為每一位能進 NBA 的球員都有一定的技藝，沒半點技藝的話是進不了 NBA 的。包括  S. O'Neal  ，也有不錯的技藝 。

但就我個人之見來看 ， S. O'Neal  除去本身的天賦強項之後，對比其他有點小名號的 NBA 中鋒來說，S. O'Neal  的其他技藝，並未很突出或特別，也並未給我深刻的印象及評價。 (很抱歉，這是我個人的觀球主見，所以不要問我原因)

也就是說，從整體  NBA  球員技藝的天枰來說的話，S. O'Neal  本身的技藝只算很普通而已。 但他有古來今往難得一見的天賦中鋒身材條件，這卻足以壓倒許多綠林好漢。

不管我們評價一位球員的角度如何，在「勝就是勝」的籃球模式裡，如果  S. O'Neal  靠本身的「天賦身材條件」就能取得母隊的勝利，那麼我們就不能否定「天賦身材條件」在籃球比賽裡的價值性及地位。

90  年代，是迄今 60 多年裡整個 NBA 中最禁區人才輩出、頭角崢嶸的年代。當年，全聯盟各隊中鋒、大前鋒、及各路禁區好漢，誰面對  S. O'Neal  這種又高又壯、年輕時速度也快、又像是吃了波菜的大力士的壯漢，誰都要閃得遠遠的。跟這種龐大體型及大力士的球員「硬碰硬」，是很笨的，也很容易讓自己受傷。

只有打球沒有智慧、以意氣打球、或被球隊充當犧牲打炮灰的次級二流、三流球員，才會真得跟 S. O'Neal  在禁區硬碰硬 。 S. O'Neal  當年可說是力拔山兮氣慨山，他創造出屬於他的成功及禁區進攻模式，而且是籃球比賽裡最有效率的一種方式。

當年，也只有類似  Hakeen Olajuwon  這種能集智慧、大腦、攻守 2  端全方位技巧於一身，並能以柔軟的禁區進攻步法及各種進攻武器及手段，才能打敗  Shaquille O'Neal 。

就像「太極拳」一樣，打籃球必須洞衡情勢及敵我優劣，「硬碰硬」是下策。因為即使勝了，可能付出代價 -- 受傷、或影響往後表現及運動生命；輸了，那更是賠了夫人又折兵。

只要是以正當方法贏球，不管是「肌肉棒子」或「技巧」，這些能贏球的方法，都是偉大的方法。 但以我個人的喜好及角度而言，能以智慧、能以籃下多元技巧、能以本身能力創造出母隊的團隊優勢及戰力、能以柔剋剛，這些加總起來，是更「上乘」的勝利方式。

毋寧，我個人比較欣賞  Hakeen Olajuwon   這類的球員及打法，我比較欣賞用智慧、用大腦、及以技巧打球的球員。因為，我認為「打籃球」本身是一項人性化的運動、美學及藝術。  那一棵籃球、那一架籃球框、以及打球的球員本身，都不是機器，故球賽間，應該有技巧及美學融於其中，我喜歡多元技巧及動作美學。否則，找機器人來打籃球或扣籃，豈不是更能衝撞、豈不是更有  power  嗎？

 

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流覽逛逛，到此一遊！

TeRreNce:

這篇文真有趣...每個球員都能套用耶...有點像大家來接龍...

Nash 不過是隊友剛好都投進他傳的球而已...

Reggie Miller 不過是因為太瘦所以只能練投籃而已...

Jason Kidd 不過是後衛又剛好長得高一點而已...

這個好笑

我來接下去

Bruce Bowen只不過是防守好

Kobe只不過是什麼進攻手段都會

F4 只不過是長的帥

張學友只不過是歌唱的好聽

蔡依林只不過是長得正胸部又大

諷刺的是

現在很多中鋒連歐尼爾這種看起來沒什麼技巧性的"低位單打"都學不會,用不好

卻有球迷希望他們在接受歐拉朱萬,賈霸指導後,就能夠學會迷縱步,天勾這種高難度技巧

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笑話大全集
1 政府官員:下台是一種解脫
2 政府官員:辭職是一種矯情的行為
3 教育學者:"教改"可以有效減輕學生的壓力
4 籃球教練:我"絕對"不是因為輸不起,才去質疑裁判

我只能說吃不到葡萄的人都會說葡萄酸

雖然他的技巧不是屬於細膩派,但是全聯盟之中誰能做到如此傲人成績

他所屬球隊也漸入佳境,你還能要求他什麼

 

 

 

O'neal也是可以背後換手運球過半場跑快攻的耶....

我記得當初網路上很流行過這段影片..

為啥大家都說他靠身材...

全盛的他可以說是籃球場上最靈活的胖子吧...

禁區單打能力強.. 

吸引包夾之後的傳球策應的視野跟能力也很好啊...

也是有用腦子在打球的..

另外海軍上將一直是我心中最全能的中鋒說...

被說成只靠身材體能...>_<

這麼堅深的問題

版大最好去跟

Phil Knight ((NIKE董事長))

David Stern ((NBA執行長))

或是NBA那些極力要爭取到LBJ到隊上的總教練啊~球隊老闆啊~~

這些人討論才對

跟他們說

LBJ只是一個肌肉棒子!!!你們幹麻那麼捧他!?

加油!!!

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只有失敗者會才說「我盡力了」

Dude, I think you misunderstand my point. I was trying to reply this guy's opinion, the underline part.

"It's true MJ's bulls didn't win much during his first 3 years (if you really want to count 1986, he broke his foot and only played 18 games in that season), didn't reach final like LBJ at age 25.  But once he entered the NBA in 1985 he proved he was totally unstoppable.  Can you say the same thing about KING JAMES ???  Does KING JAMES make you feel he can score 50 on any team he wants ??? "

 My point is, LBJ has already proved that he is capable to bring his team to final by himself. Its not about how many points he can score or how many board he grads per game. It's all about he can win the game. at least until NBA final.And with that, he is way better than the critique from the guy who open the thread. Lots of players who can score around 50s as long as they don't give a damn to their team; but how many of them are able to bring their team to final. That's why I put R.Davis as an example.

Dude, I think you misunderstand my point. I was trying to reply this guy's opinion, the underline part.

"It's true MJ's bulls didn't win much during his first 3 years (if you really want to count 1986, he broke his foot and only played 18 games in that season), didn't reach final like LBJ at age 25.  But once he entered the NBA in 1985 he proved he was totally unstoppable.  Can you say the same thing about KING JAMES ???  Does KING JAMES make you feel he can score 50 on any team he wants ??? "

 My point is, LBJ has already proved that he is capable to bring his team to final by himself. Its not about how many points he can score or how many board he grads per game. It's all about he can win the game. at least until NBA final.And with that, he is way better than the critique from the guy who open the thread. Lots of players who can score around 50s as long as they don't give a damn to their team; but how many of them are able to bring their team to final. That's why I put R.Davis as an example.