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Draftclass 2011

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  •  06-16-2011, 10:36 上午 387492 in reply to 387486

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    國王隊 好像也很喜歡他吧!  或許或被攔截走!
  •  06-16-2011, 10:44 上午 387497 in reply to 387492

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    Ace of Diamond:
    國王隊 好像也很喜歡他吧!  或許或被攔截走!

    確實在國王的workouts後,Walker就開始對Jimmer避戰,之後Jimmer行情持續上昇

    國王是第7順位,如果這麼高的順位就搶標Jimmer,我也只能說祝福他了

    nbadraft.net的最新預測,Jimmer就是落在第7順位的國王,Kemba Walker掉到13的太陽


  •  06-17-2011, 1:02 下午 387703 in reply to 387497

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    Re: Draftclass 2011

    Isaiah Thomas這小個子

    表示有很多看他workout的球隊說他像JJ.Barea

    但他覺得他更像Damon Stoudamire

    而且對自己的速度很有自信

    看很多選秀網站都預估他會落選

    究竟是只會出一張嘴?

    還是真有本事?

    熱火也打算邀請他workout了

    畢竟今年就是被Barea搞死的



    LET'S GO HEAT !!!
  •  06-18-2011, 1:04 下午 387935 in reply to 387497

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    有一篇有趣的文章, 把 Knight 和 Walker 來作比較:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30332/get-to-the-point-knight-vs-walker

    Kemba Walker might be the most polished collegiate player in this year's NBA draft. He won the 2011 NCAA title with Connecticut, he finished fourth in Division I scoring (23.5 points per game) and won numerous individual awards -- All-American, Most Outstanding Player of the Final Four and Big East Tournament, Cousy Award -- and he had his number retired at UConn before he even declared for the draft.

    Brandon Knight, the next in the line of one-and-done John Calipari-coached guards, was a first-team All-SEC player and set Kentucky freshman records for scoring and 3-point shooting.

    Which point guard would you choose?

    One of the many questions that key NBA decision-makers will face in the draft (June 23 on ESPN, 7 ET) is how to measure the experience of Walker, a 21-year-old junior, against the potential of Knight, a 19-year-old freshman.

    To help us, let's use one of the key metrics for evaluating point-guard prospects: pure point rating (PPR), which calculates assists and turnovers into a single number projection of how a particular player will fare as a distributor in the NBA. The average PPR of all current NBA starters while they were in college is 1.2.

    Walker had a 1.5 PPR in college. It also took him only 18 minutes per game to get a steal or block and he was able to score inside. His upside is the same or slightly better than Knight's, but he is definitely a safer pick -- his chance of failing is less than one out of 10. There are no red flags on Walker, making him a one-out-of-three shot of becoming a good player at the next level.

    Knight, meanwhile, has a one-in-four chance of being good, but the numbers suggest that his chances of success ride heavily on his shooting ability, not his passing. Knight had a minus-1.4 PPR in college, which is extremely low for a point guard -- lower, in fact, than any NBA starting point guard’s college PPR except for Stephen Curry, who did not play point guard until his third and final year at Davidson.

    Knight’s youth and specific metrics on steals and rebounds also raise red flags. In short, studies show that point guards with his characteristics don't live up to first-round expectations. Knight has about a one-in-three chance at failing -- he is an NBA player, but he is a poor risk for a lottery team.

    Other guys have succeeded with such a low PPR; for example, Gilbert Arenas and Jerryd Bayless are point guards who are better as shooters than distributors. But it takes more than 40 minutes for Knight to get a steal or block, far more than either of these guys. And while his shooting is probably good enough to keep him around, Knight's defense could prove to be a problem, too.

    After looking at advanced metrics it seems clear that Walker, whose Huskies beat Knight's Wildcats twice last season, wins again.

    2 個人都有可能被爵士挑去, 我看完這篇文章倒是有一些想法, 先拋開大學成績統計來看 NBA 準不準不談, Knight 比較起 Walker 少了2 年的經驗, 如果以身體條件和 Workout 來看, Knight 是有一些優勢的, 他也許沒 Walker 那麼樣聰明, Walker 對爵士是即戰力, 因為現在就球技面他是超過 Knight 的, 但是  Knight 還有潛力可開發, 而 Walker 比較像是接近完成品了 
     
    Knight 決不會是下一個 Deron Williams, 我是說他接近一個乖乖的 SG, 而不像是一個熱血 PG, 但是如果他再強壯些, 並且再強化他的控球能力, 他會往 Billups, Terry, Arenas 或 Curry 那條路走, 我認為選他最值得期待的是他也許還可以再長高一些, 而能讓他去打 SG, 以目前來看, 如果 Jazz 第三順位選擇 Knight 的話, 我認為球隊可以考慮拿 Harris 去換有經驗的 Point Guard 如 Andre Miller, 讓他打較少的時間, 而把 Knight 當成球隊未來的主控來培養


    Bjork本人就是音樂!
  •  06-18-2011, 9:14 下午 387971 in reply to 387935

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    Kawakami Rinitsu:
    我認為選他最值得期待的是他也許還可以再長高一些, 而能讓他去打 SG

     這讓我想起關心的david stockton

    想問問大大白人到這年齡還有沒有再長的機會

    沒有的話他進nba真的機會渺茫了

  •  06-19-2011, 1:17 上午 387990 in reply to 387069

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    承上面說的:Jimmer在最近workouts時,指名挑戰Walker以提高身價

    結果Knight跟Walker在爵士的workouts都不跟他比,Walker選擇無對抗的單人workout

    Kinght擇選擇晚一天到鹽湖城,但他指名要挑戰Irving

    晚一天個人workout表示他在Walker跟Jimmer之上,要比是跟Irving比

    強弱先不說,球員/經紀人為了抬高身價,真是用盡手段


  •  06-19-2011, 1:28 下午 388041 in reply to 387990

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    Re: Draftclass 2011

    熱火目前在考慮向上交易選秀權

    有些控衛讓球隊很喜歡

    但落點大多在第一輪末

    手中只有二輪簽怕選不到好手

    ESPN的Chad Ford又得到消息

    熱火已經給Reggie Jackson承諾

    也許Jackson就是那個答案?

    其實除了一定進樂透的那幾個控衛

    剩下的給我的感覺就是各有特色  各取所需



    LET'S GO HEAT !!!
  •  06-19-2011, 8:47 下午 388069 in reply to 387990

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    Red Jazz:

    承上面說的:Jimmer在最近workouts時,指名挑戰Walker以提高身價

    結果Knight跟Walker在爵士的workouts都不跟他比,Walker選擇無對抗的單人workout

    Kinght擇選擇晚一天到鹽湖城,但他指名要挑戰Irving

    晚一天個人workout表示他在Walker跟Jimmer之上,要比是跟Irving比

    強弱先不說,球員/經紀人為了抬高身價,真是用盡手段

    Knight會這樣講,另一個原因是下一站他就是要到騎士workout

    至今新人態勢慢慢明朗,我覺得騎士該認真考慮選Kanter狀元

    "差不多時挑大個子"是選秀的基本--當然一堆失敗的例子,但仍是該挑大個子

    Kanter稱得上是能跟Irving/Williams並稱的好手,值得賭看看

    如果騎士選了Kanter,第四順位至少還有Knight,甚至Irving也可能掉下來(誰叫他灰狼/爵士的workout都不去)

    如果Knight在騎士workout的狀況夠好,Kanter狀元的可能性也會跟著提高

    2005那屆: Bogut(Kanter),M.Williams(D.Williams),D.Williams(Knight),Paul(Irving)的選秀pase可能重現

    我想現在重來一次,公鹿還是會選Bogut


  •  06-20-2011, 1:40 上午 388113 in reply to 388069

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    Red Jazz:
    Red Jazz:

    承上面說的:Jimmer在最近workouts時,指名挑戰Walker以提高身價

    結果Knight跟Walker在爵士的workouts都不跟他比,Walker選擇無對抗的單人workout

    Kinght擇選擇晚一天到鹽湖城,但他指名要挑戰Irving

    晚一天個人workout表示他在Walker跟Jimmer之上,要比是跟Irving比

    強弱先不說,球員/經紀人為了抬高身價,真是用盡手段

    Knight會這樣講,另一個原因是下一站他就是要到騎士workout

    至今新人態勢慢慢明朗,我覺得騎士該認真考慮選Kanter狀元

    "差不多時挑大個子"是選秀的基本--當然一堆失敗的例子,但仍是該挑大個子

    Kanter稱得上是能跟Irving/Williams並稱的好手,值得賭看看

    如果騎士選了Kanter,第四順位至少還有Knight,甚至Irving也可能掉下來(誰叫他灰狼/爵士的workout都不去)

    如果Knight在騎士workout的狀況夠好,Kanter狀元的可能性也會跟著提高

    2005那屆: Bogut(Kanter),M.Williams(D.Williams),D.Williams(Knight),Paul(Irving)的選秀pase可能重現

    我想現在重來一次,公鹿還是會選Bogut

    Red Jazz 大大的想法跟我略同

    我也認為騎士應該選 Kanter 

    畢竟 Kanter 不一定會掉到第4順位

    但是如果先選了 Kanter 第4順位應該還有 Knight 可選 (中間Williams,Irving)

    這麼一來重建的兩大基石中鋒(PF?)與控衛(雙能衛?)一次補齊  看起來也是比較好的一個選擇

  •  06-20-2011, 3:10 上午 388118 in reply to 388069

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    Re: Draftclass 2011

    Red Jazz:
    Red Jazz:

    承上面說的:Jimmer在最近workouts時,指名挑戰Walker以提高身價

    結果Knight跟Walker在爵士的workouts都不跟他比,Walker選擇無對抗的單人workout

    Kinght擇選擇晚一天到鹽湖城,但他指名要挑戰Irving

    晚一天個人workout表示他在Walker跟Jimmer之上,要比是跟Irving比

    強弱先不說,球員/經紀人為了抬高身價,真是用盡手段

    Knight會這樣講,另一個原因是下一站他就是要到騎士workout

    至今新人態勢慢慢明朗,我覺得騎士該認真考慮選Kanter狀元

    "差不多時挑大個子"是選秀的基本--當然一堆失敗的例子,但仍是該挑大個子

    Kanter稱得上是能跟Irving/Williams並稱的好手,值得賭看看

    如果騎士選了Kanter,第四順位至少還有Knight,甚至Irving也可能掉下來(誰叫他灰狼/爵士的workout都不去)

    如果Knight在騎士workout的狀況夠好,Kanter狀元的可能性也會跟著提高

    2005那屆: Bogut(Kanter),M.Williams(D.Williams),D.Williams(Knight),Paul(Irving)的選秀pase可能重現

    我想現在重來一次,公鹿還是會選Bogut

    選大個是比較傳統的想法,但從這幾年下來看,選PG似乎又是個新潮流。2008公牛選Rose over Beasley,當然家鄉球員有加分效果,但看來這選擇是對的。2005那年如果搬到今年來的話,照我看來結果或許是會不同的。至於說Kanter,其實我也很想第一順位賭他,但他的實力到哪還真搞不清楚,希望這些有測試他的球隊真的有看出所以然來吧。今年選秀是有點撲朔迷離,要我是騎士的話我的選擇是 Kanter/Walker(前提是Walker不被攔胡。)

  •  06-20-2011, 4:19 下午 388201 in reply to 388118

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    green room是選秀會場的特別休息室,給前15順位的新人跟他的家人及經紀人等待選秀結果,叫到名字便上台握手拍照
    以下是今年的15位green room名單,順序約等於目前排名
    Kyrie Irving (Duke); Derrick Williams (Arizona); Enes Kanter (Turkey); Brandon Knight (Kentucky); Kemba Walker (UConn); Jonas Valanciunas (Lithuania); Jan Vesely (Czech Republic); Kawhi Leonard (San Diego St.); Chris Singleton (Florida St.); Klay Thompson (Washington St.); Tristan Thompson (Texas); Jimmer Fredette (BYU); Marcus Morris (Kansas); Alec Burks (Colorado); Markieff Morris (Kansas)
  •  06-21-2011, 7:27 上午 388259 in reply to 388201

    Re: Draftclass 2011

      沒叫到不是很糗...
      有這種例子嗎?  XD
  •  06-21-2011, 8:29 上午 388262 in reply to 388259

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    Ace of Diamond:
      沒叫到不是很糗...
      有這種例子嗎?  XD

    掉到二輪的蠻常有,電視就會播到他臉都綠了的畫面

    但選不上的應該沒有XD

    在上次失敗的workouts後, Biyombo 跟 Motiejunas都沒進這份名單

    另外尼克打算交易選秀權到前11,以在爵士之前選Jimmer...


  •  06-21-2011, 9:05 上午 388269 in reply to 388262

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    Green room是一個很有趣的指標。

    例如去年原本上看前十順位的Whiteside,身價一路下滑,然後沒被請進green room。

    結果... Biyombo和Motie會不會一樣慘呢?

  •  06-21-2011, 9:35 上午 388275 in reply to 388269

    Re: Draftclass 2011

    假如爵士12順位沒選Jimmer,最近也在討論選Chris Singleton,穿鞋6-9的大三SF,他是本屆選秀最佳防守型球員

    如果AK離隊又不想靠交易補防守的漏洞,就是選Singleton了

    在上面green room的rank是第9,不過一般mock draft只在樂透邊緣,對爵士來說,也是不錯的pick


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