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[News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

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  •  07-01-2011, 3:28 上午 389638

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    [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    Talks over, owners tell players lockout coming at midnight

     

     

    By NBA.com staff
    Posted Jun 30 2011 3:17PM

    Talks on a new collective bargaining agreement between the NBA and its players broke off on Thursday afternoon, and players leaving the midtown Manhattan hotel where the two sides met told reporters that the owners said that they will lock out the players when the current agreement expires at midnight. The lockout would effectively shutter the league and could end up jeopardizing parts or all of the 2011-12 season.

    The last time the league went through a work stoppage, after the expiration of its deal with the players in July 1998, owners and players trudged through more than six months of fitful bargaining and sometimes contentious rhetoric before coming to an agreement in January 1999. The NBA season was sliced to 50 games that year.

    This expected lockout comes as the league completes one of its most successful seasons ever, with attendance, broadcast ratings and revenue up virtually across the board. But owners insist that the current labor agreement is no longer financially viable, and they point to player salaries as the main culprit. Commissioner David Stern has said that the league lost as much as $300 million in the 2010-11 season and that 22 of the league's 30 teams were in the red. Owners are now asking for player concessions, including a more equitable divide of income, more rigid rules that will limit the amount that teams can pay players (the often-mentioned "hard cap" on salaries), givebacks in an escrow system that the players have paid into and changes in the length and terms of certain types of player contracts.

    Players have publicly challenged the league's claims of dire financial hardship and have remained adamantly opposed to many of the league's proposals. Chief among those is the "hard cap," an idea that the union staunchly rejects, saying it would unfairly restrict player salaries. National Basketball Players Association head Billy Hunter also has called for improving on the plan that moves revenue from the league's richer teams to its more financially challenged ones.

    Hunter and Stern were the key players in the last work stoppage in 1998 and have helped steer the league as it's grown into a more than $4 billion industry worldwide, featuring the world's highest-paid professional athletes. NBA players make an average of more than $5.7 million a year.

    During the last few weeks, each side in the dispute has made what it considers concessions, though both parties admit that the gulf between the two remains considerable. The league has pulled back its initial call for player contracts that are not fully guaranteed, for example, while the union says it is willing to reduce its share of the split of "basketball related income," or BRI. The players receive 57 percent of BRI in the expiring agreement, with the remaining portion going to owners.

    Still, the two sides remained so far apart that their meetings -- most notably during a rousing NBA Finals between the Miami Heat and the eventual champion Dallas Mavericks -- have produced negligible gains, if any. After a meeting last Friday in New York, the owners and players did not meet again until Thursday's deadline-day get-together, which lasted about three hours.

    The last time the league locked out its players, the two sides did not meet for more than a week before the deadline passed and the lockout was imposed, and then went 37 days until meeting again. That session lasted only 90 minutes before owners walked out. The first two weeks of the 1998-99 season were officially canceled on Oct. 13, 1998, and negotiations continued to sputter throughout the fall and into the winter.

    Stern announced late in December of that year that he would recommend the season be canceled if an agreement was not reached before Jan. 7. After an all-night session, Hunter and Stern finally announced an agreement on Jan. 6, 1999.

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    Hunter: Sides fail to reach deal, says lockout is next


    Posted Jun 30 2011 12:35PM - Updated Jun 30 2011 3:30PM

    NEW YORK (AP) -- NBA players are locked out, possibly jeopardizing next season.

    Union chief Billy Hunter said Thursday afternoon that owners had locked out the players after failing to reach a new collective bargaining agreement.

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    With this latest action, two of four major professional sports in the United States are locked out. The NFL locked out its players in March, and the two sides have been in discussions this week, trying to work toward a new deal.

    Despite a three-hour meeting Thursday, the NBA and its players could not close the enormous gap that remained in their positions. The CBA was due to expire at midnight.

    All league business is officially on hold, starting with the free agency period that would have opened Friday, and games eventually could be lost, too. The last lockout reduced the 1998-99 season to just a 50-game schedule, the only time the NBA missed games for a work stoppage.

    "We tried to avoid the lockout; unfortunately, we couldn't reach a deal,'' union executive committee member Matt Bonner said.

    The sides remained far apart on just about every major issue, from salaries to the salary cap, revenues to revenue sharing.

    Players, who previously offered to reduce their salaries by $500 million over five years, considered the owners' proposal for a "flex'' cap, where each team would be targeted to spend $62 million, a hard cap. Although the league said total player compensation would never dip below $2 billion over the life of its proposed 10-year deal, that would amount to a pay cut for the players, who were paid more than $2.1 billion this season in salaries and benefits.

    Owners also wanted a reduction in the players' guarantee of 57 percent of basketball revenues.

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  •  07-01-2011, 3:44 上午 389643 in reply to 389638

    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    WOW.....看來真不妙!  依然各有各的堅持阿..

    確定了嗎?  還是有其他轉圜的餘地?

     

     



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  •  07-01-2011, 3:45 上午 389644 in reply to 389643

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    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    visvimape:

    WOW.....看來真不妙!  依然各有各的堅持阿..

    確定了嗎?  還是有其他轉圜的餘地?

     

     

    正式確定

  •  07-01-2011, 3:46 上午 389646 in reply to 389643

    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    個人看待整件事態的發展

    容我說一句

     

    『那些明星球員真的貪得無厭。』

    這是我對整起事件的唯一評語。 

     

     

     

    ※失望到不想回復了... 

  •  07-01-2011, 3:49 上午 389647 in reply to 389646

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    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    a1223356:

    個人看待整件事態的發展

    容我說一句

     『那些明星球員真的貪得無厭。』

    這是我對整起事件的唯一評語。 

     ※失望到不想回復了... 

    Can't agree with you more.

  •  07-01-2011, 4:04 上午 389652 in reply to 389647

    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    果真被 BARKLEY的臭嘴說中!

    所以接下來就面臨封館了....即使STERN有能力出來協調還是無法挽救囉!

    如果封館是封一整季還是像1999封3分之一球季連STAR GAME也取消  仍待商確就對了!?



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  •  07-01-2011, 6:58 上午 389657 in reply to 389652

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    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

     

    之前不是有一堆人說 拜託 高薪也是球團 自己要出的  

    球員有最低保障薪資的限制  但高薪沒有吧 高薪也是惡性競爭吧

      會走到這步 也是球團撐不下去了吧   封館只是要逼球員工會低頭

    看到底是誰影響最大 球員沒了舞台 根本就是無用武之地

    反正NBA給的薪水絕對最是世界最高  看你低不低頭

     

     

     

     

  •  07-01-2011, 8:03 上午 389660 in reply to 389657

    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    坦白說有約在身的也賺不了歐元人民幣    

    真要跳槽一時半刻也不容易

    NBA老闆多半也是把球隊當副業在經營  

     

    總歸一句  苦了球迷 


  •  07-01-2011, 9:31 上午 389671 in reply to 389660

    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    henrydu0:

    坦白說有約在身的也賺不了歐元人民幣    

    真要跳槽一時半刻也不容易

    NBA老闆多半也是把球隊當副業在經營  

     

    總歸一句  苦了球迷 

    合約能買斷嗎?

    買得斷嗎?


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  •  07-01-2011, 9:38 上午 389673 in reply to 389660

    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    我倒覺得那些老闆才是垃圾

    要開合約之前不想清楚

    腦袋裡不知道是進了水還是怎麼樣

    說白了

    還不就是想要大明星來幫自己賺錢?

    然後自己能力有問題財務周轉不佳才跟球員說要少給一點錢

    當時剛開出來的條件是什麼?

    減薪40%??有哪個精神沒問題的人會說"喔老闆你說的對那現在把舊合約撕掉我們重新簽一張幾乎半價的新合約"??

    供需市場本來就是買家和賣家之間的協調

    自己願意給高薪事後才去怪對方貪婪

    我不知道該怎麼形容那些老闆

    你是員工

    有人願意付你一個月十萬

    你會跑去拿一個月六萬?

    怎麼會去怪球員?

    簽合約是最合理最公平的一種交易方式

    簽下去了就照著條例閉嘴好好作

    不要事後再去怪東怪西

    別人薪水年年漲

    你薪水卻越來越低

    不要說球員平均每個人拿五百萬美金很多

    這是個原則問題

    這點都守不好

    以後球員工會大概也沒有什麼可以保護會員的力量了

     





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  •  07-01-2011, 9:51 上午 389675 in reply to 389673

    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    我不在乎到底誰對誰錯

    我只想看NBA

  •  07-01-2011, 9:52 上午 389676 in reply to 389646

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    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    a1223356:

    個人看待整件事態的發展

    容我說一句

    『那些明星球員真的貪得無厭。』

    這是我對整起事件的唯一評語。 

    ※失望到不想回復了... 

    完全同意你的看法!

    球員拿整個盈收的57%,而目前球隊30隊,有22隊處於虧損

    在這樣的狀況下,聯盟只不過是希望把球員薪資降到佔總盈收的50%都無法達成

    只能說球員也太貪了吧

     

    真的不是很瞭解NBA的營運模式

    以一般公司來看,有哪家公司會把盈收的57%給員工的?如果有,那家公司的員工真幸福

    只是話說回來,NBA和一般公司不能相比

    不過,不曉得他們有沒有考慮,把"開銷"扣除後,用淨利再來談球員和球團的收入比

    這樣是不是就能保障球隊不會虧錢了

  •  07-01-2011, 10:06 上午 389680 in reply to 389676

    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    asd:
    a1223356:

    個人看待整件事態的發展

    容我說一句

    『那些明星球員真的貪得無厭。』

    這是我對整起事件的唯一評語。 

    ※失望到不想回復了... 

    完全同意你的看法!

    球員拿整個盈收的57%,而目前球隊30隊,有22隊處於虧損

    在這樣的狀況下,聯盟只不過是希望把球員薪資降到佔總盈收的50%都無法達成

    只能說球員也太貪了吧

     

    真的不是很瞭解NBA的營運模式

    以一般公司來看,有哪家公司會把盈收的57%給員工的?如果有,那家公司的員工真幸福

    只是話說回來,NBA和一般公司不能相比

    不過,不曉得他們有沒有考慮,把"開銷"扣除後,用淨利再來談球員和球團的收入比

    這樣是不是就能保障球隊不會虧錢了

    怎麼可能

    (Revenue-Expenses) X (1-tax-rate)

    萬一這是個負值呢?

    萬一剛剛好打平呢?

    萬一只比breakeven要高一點點呢?

    球員會這樣簽約那還真的是佛心來著的

    "與公司共患難"

    所以公司賠錢球員要自掏腰包補助老闆?

    球員每晚打球一樣努力

    這樣對他們來說公平嗎

    如果你老闆跟你說上個月公司沒賺錢所以不發薪水了

    你感覺怎麼樣?





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  •  07-01-2011, 10:09 上午 389681 in reply to 389676

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    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    反正明年近季后赛球队&冠军队大致就那几队

    少打几场季赛也好

    明星周打真格已经年代太久远

    取消也好

    看看球星会部会来亚洲赚外快

    那现场接触不是梦~

     

    [流言板]广东老总:NBA你牛逼就停摆,我们备着银子呢  由 易怒鸭虾 发表在HoopChina·中国篮球 http://bbs.hoopchina.com/cba

    NBA现行劳资协议将于北京时间7月2号中午12点整到期,而如果联盟与球员工会在这个时刻之前还不能达成新的劳资协议,那么NBA将继1998年夏天之后再次停摆,而广东华南虎老总刘宏疆对NBA停摆也是非常关注,他表示很多CBA总经理都已经准备好了资金买进因为停摆而失业的NBA球员。

    “都憋着,敢停摆才叫nba(牛逼啊)。今天停摆,明天才是考验我们cba的开始!看看都有哪些猛人来吧,我知道大伙儿都已经准备好了银子,蹲在墙角,有种不怕砸你就站出来!在太阳下晒晒!”


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  •  07-01-2011, 10:27 上午 389684 in reply to 389681

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    Re: [News]勞資談判破裂,NBA正式停擺

    除了失望還是失望

    Sad



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