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  •  11-15-2011, 3:38 上午 403616

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    球員工會拒絕老闆offer

    最新消息, 球員工會拒絕上週老闆們修改後的提案, Billy Hunter說“We’ve arrived at the conclusion that the collective bargaining process has completely broken down,” 將要朝解散工會然後告老闆的方向進行.

    今年NBA沒得玩了

    A bunch of greedy bustards Angry

     -----------------------------------

    NEW YORK -- NBA players rejected the league's latest offer Monday and began disbanding the union, likely jeopardizing the season.

    "We're prepared to file this antitrust action against the NBA," union executive director Billy Hunter said of the possibility the union will take the league to court. "That's the best situation where players can get their due process."

    And that's a tragedy as far as NBA commissioner David Stern is concerned.

    "It looks like the 2011-12 season is really in jeopardy," Stern said in an interview aired on ESPN's "SportsCenter."

    "It's just a big charade. To do it now, the union is ratcheting up I guess to see if they can scare the NBA owners or something. That's not happening."

    Hunter said players were not prepared to accept Stern's ultimatum to accept the current proposal or face a worse one, saying they thought it was "extremely unfair."

    Monday on "SportsCenter," Stern said offer on the table was no ultimatum, but "a revised proposal which met many of their concerns."

    "When you negotiate for 2½ years and finally get to where the parties are ... that's not an ultimatum. That's a proposal that's ready to be voted up or down," Stern said.

    "The chances of the season slipping away from us and the players losing that they have worked very hard to achieve ... it's really a tragedy," Stern added. He said the league had anticipated the union's actions, which was why it filed a lawsuit against the union and a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board earlier this year.

    "They seem hell-bent on self-destruction and it's very sad," Stern said.

    Instead, players went a different route, believing that filing the disclaimer is much quicker that the decertification process and gives them a chance to win several billion dollars in triple damages.

    "This is the best decision for the players," union president Derek Fisher said. "I want to reiterate that point, that a lot of individual players have a lot of things personally at stake in terms of their careers and where they stand. And right now they feel it's important -- we all feel it's important to all our players, not just the ones in this room, but our entire group -- that we not only try to get a deal done for today but for the body of NBA players that will come into this league over the next decade and beyond."

    Fisher, flanked at a press conference by dozens of players including Kobe Bryant and Carmelo Anthony, said the decision was unanimous.

    Hunter said the NBPA was in the process of converting to a trade association and that all players will be represented in a class-action suit against the NBA by attorneys Jeffrey Kessler and David Boies -- who were on opposite sides of the NFL labor dispute, Kessler working for the players, Boise for the league.

    "The fact that the two biggest legal adversaries in the NFL players dispute over the NFL lockout both agree that the NBA lockout is now illegal and subject to triple damages speaks for itself," Kessler said in an email to The Associated Press. "I am delighted to work together with David Boies on behalf of the NBA players."

    Stern was not impressed with his legal adversaries.

    "The union decided in its infinite wisdom that the proposal would not be presented to membership," Stern said. "Obviously, Mr. Kessler got his way and we are about to go into the nuclear winter of the NBA.

    "If I were a player ... I would be wondering what it is that Billy Hunter just did."

    Hunter said the NBPA's "notice of disclaimer" was filed with Stern's office about an hour before the news conference announcing the move.

    Hunter said the bargaining process had "completely broken down." Players and owners have been talking for some two years but couldn't reach a deal, with players feeling the league's desires to improve competitive balance would hurt their free agency options.

    And beyond that, the owners' desire for a 50-50 split of basketball-related income, after players were guaranteed 57 percent under the old deal, meant players were shifting at least $280 million per year to the owners.

    "This deal could have been done. It should have been done," Hunter said. "We've given and given and given, and they got to the place where they just reached for too much and the players decided to push back."

    Over the weekend, Stern said he would not cancel the season this week.

     

    Regardless, damage has already been done, in many ways.

    Financially, both sides have lost hundreds of millions because of the games missed and the countless more that will be wiped out before play resumes. Team employees are losing money, and in some cases, jobs. And both the NBA and NBPA eventually must regain the loyalty of an angered fan base that wonders how the league reached this low point after such a strong 2010-11 season.

    The proposal players rejected Monday called for a 50-50 division of basketball-related income and proposed a 72-game season beginning Dec. 15. Players are still unhappy with what they believe are too many restrictions for big-spending teams that would limit their free agent options, but Stern said the proposal is far better for players than the one player reps said they would reject last week.

    Now likely awaiting the players, should bargaining resume, is a proposal that will call for a 53 percent to 47 percent split of BRI in the owners' favor, a flex cap with a hard ceiling and rollbacks for current salaries.

    On Sunday, the league made a very public push on the positives of the deal -- hosting a 90-minute twitter chat to answer questions from players and fans, posting a YouTube video to explain the key points and sending a memo from Stern to players urging them to "study our proposal carefully, and to accept it as a fair compromise of the issues between us."

     

    In the memo, posted on the league's website, Stern highlighted points of the deal and asked players to focus on the compromises the league made during negotiations, such as dropping its demands for a hard salary cap, non-guaranteed contracts and salary rollbacks.

    Union officials repeatedly have said the system issues are perhaps more important to them than the split of basketball-related income, but owners say they need fundamental changes in both to allow for a chance to profit and to ensure more competitive balance throughout the league.

    The previous CBA expired at the end of the day June 30. Despite a series of meetings in June, there was never much hope of a deal before that deadline, with owners wanting significant changes after saying they lost $300 million last season and hundreds of millions more in each year of the old agreement, which was ratified in 2005.

    Owners wanted to keep more of the league's nearly $4 billion in basketball revenues. And they sought a system where even the smallest-market clubs could compete, believing the current system would always favor the teams who could spend the most.

    The NBA's last work stoppage reduced the 1998-99 season to 50 games. Monday marked the 137th day of the lockout; the NFL lockout lasted 136 days.

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    打不動真籃球就只好玩Fantasy了
  •  11-15-2011, 4:20 上午 403618 in reply to 403616

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    Time to nuclear winter!

    無論勞方資方,NBA該擔心的問題是他們還得和其他運動競爭,包括大學籃球。要是NBA停擺而使市佔率被Hocky和Soccer追過,再被看似不衝突的大學籃球吃掉部分市場,結果可能會很慘烈。

    我所認識的紐約人,他們也許不挺洋基,也許不挺尼克,但沒有人不挺雪城。瘋狂三月,全紐約都在幫雪城加油。對他們而言,NBA也許是四大或五大職業運動中最容易被取代的。

  •  11-15-2011, 4:45 上午 403619 in reply to 403618

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    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    Congratz to the NBA, nobody cares, nobody will miss you.
  •  11-15-2011, 5:42 上午 403620 in reply to 403616

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    可預期的結果

    工會一直舉著大多數球員薪資正義的大旗

    當然不可能接受這種施捨式的合約

    否則如何為之前所喊的口號解套呢

    再次證明工會無能誤判情勢解散吧

    或許我對工會的要求過高

    但要應付如豺狼處豹的資方

    不能一言九鼎的工會還要搞公投

    真的沒有存在的必要

  •  11-15-2011, 5:51 上午 403621 in reply to 403616

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    http://news.chinatimes.com/sports/11051201/132011111400716.html

     

    這戲演下去

    對球員非常不利

     

    而且在我看來

    球員幾乎一點作用也沒有

    從頭到尾看到的就是他們在「反對、反對、反對...」


    真正要讓他們提出雙方都能賺錢的提案時 

     

    阿罵:「我想我們可以組新聯盟啊!(燦笑)」

    偉德(談判會議上怒吼史騰):「你不要用手指著我!我不是你的孩子!」 

    KG:(進會議室的時候先用威脅眼神掃視全場)...接著破壞即將要簽訂出來的勞資合約

    LBJ:「BRI是什麼?」 

     

    跟這種人談判真的會燒壞自己腦袋~。 

  •  11-15-2011, 8:15 上午 403625 in reply to 403621

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    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    我本來是很支持勞方這邊的, 可是談判幾個月下來, 結果居然還是這樣, 實在不能不懷疑, Billy Hunter 和 Derek Fisher 為首的勞方, 還真無能啊!

    NBA 三十二隊裡, 有九位老闆還擁有 NHL 冰上曲棍球隊, 其他的, 也都是財大業大, 如果一球季整體報銷, 老闆们是會有所損失, 可是, 球員们可能更慘喔.....

    NBA 勞方現在, 改走法律路線, 可是不管它走那條路線, 法院怎麼判, 這季是沒有了.

     


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  •  11-15-2011, 8:34 上午 403627 in reply to 403625

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    但下一季應該會有吧?

    一年沒有NBA我想我勉強還是可以活得下去......

    一班新的CBA都簽多久?

    每三五年給我鬧這一下的話我真的會起笑.........





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  •  11-15-2011, 8:55 上午 403628 in reply to 403627

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    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    不要說三五年這樣鬧一下會起笑, 十年就這樣來一次, 也夠令人抓狂了.

    我想拖了幾個月談到現在, 結果還是拉出這種屎, 我實在不想再聽到任何官方說詞或是勞資的法律途徑方法, 只想用情緒性字眼大罵二方!!!


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  •  11-15-2011, 8:56 上午 403629 in reply to 403625

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    Kenny:

    我本來是很支持勞方這邊的


    頭殼壞了才支持勞方

    美國的中產一堆失業問題

    經濟差到要歐巴馬對人民幣施壓了

    真正花得起大錢拚陣容的就那麼幾隊

    其它球隊一天到晚陪公子讀書不會幹嗎

    勞方炮最大聲的那幾個

    哪一個不是千萬年薪以上的

    跟本就是貪得無厭

    有夠難看的嘴臉

    有啥好同情的

    冰死他們的黃金歲月吧

     

    降低分配比例就會壓低上限

    今天給一個球隊6千萬上限

    還是大部份被1~3個人佔走

    其它人加起來分1/3不到的薪資總額

    那不如給一個球隊4000上限

    m型化才不會那麼嚴重

    巨頭合体幾率變小

    小球隊也比較有得玩

  •  11-15-2011, 9:11 上午 403630 in reply to 403629

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    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    你頭殼沒壞, 講的那麼頭頭是道, 好像眾人皆醉你獨醒的樣子, 你說勞方球員貪得無厭, 資方就沒有貪?  還是經營不善, 無能, 而亂簽大約, 對你來說沒關係?

     


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  •  11-15-2011, 9:32 上午 403632 in reply to 403629

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    唉 第一次覺得史騰是受委屈的ㄧ方.....

    好不容易整合了老闆 卻搞不定球員 


  •  11-15-2011, 9:39 上午 403633 in reply to 403632

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    好了好了大家火氣不要那麼大

    沒有NBA大家都很難過

    但是風度還是要注意一下

     

    話說胡老哥嗆美國說人民幣在怎麼升美國的失業率以及負債都不會有任何起色XD





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    江湖上行走總是要小心一點


  •  11-15-2011, 9:40 上午 403634 in reply to 403632

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    henrydu0:

    唉 第一次覺得史騰是受委屈的ㄧ方.....

    好不容易整合了老闆 卻搞不定球員 

    老漁和史騰兩個人都很想要快點開打

    但是一開始老闆態度應

    好不容易看到了一絲曙光球員又開始拿俏

    天要下雨娘要嫁人

    都隨他去吧





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    江湖上行走總是要小心一點


  •  11-15-2011, 10:12 上午 403636 in reply to 403629

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    smartson:
    Kenny:

    我本來是很支持勞方這邊的


    頭殼壞了才支持勞方

    美國的中產一堆失業問題

    經濟差到要歐巴馬對人民幣施壓了

    真正花得起大錢拚陣容的就那麼幾隊

    其它球隊一天到晚陪公子讀書不會幹嗎

    勞方炮最大聲的那幾個

    哪一個不是千萬年薪以上的

    跟本就是貪得無厭

    有夠難看的嘴臉

    有啥好同情的

    冰死他們的黃金歲月吧

     

    降低分配比例就會壓低上限

    今天給一個球隊6千萬上限

    還是大部份被1~3個人佔走

    其它人加起來分1/3不到的薪資總額

    那不如給一個球隊4000上限

    m型化才不會那麼嚴重

    巨頭合体幾率變小

    小球隊也比較有得玩

    看到"NBA32隊"就可以忽視下面的發言了... 

  •  11-15-2011, 10:28 上午 403639 in reply to 403636

    Re: No Deal: 球員工會拒絕老闆offer, NBA沒得玩了

    會飛的野獸:
    smartson:
    Kenny:

    我本來是很支持勞方這邊的


    頭殼壞了才支持勞方

    美國的中產一堆失業問題

    經濟差到要歐巴馬對人民幣施壓了

    真正花得起大錢拚陣容的就那麼幾隊

    其它球隊一天到晚陪公子讀書不會幹嗎

    勞方炮最大聲的那幾個

    哪一個不是千萬年薪以上的

    跟本就是貪得無厭

    有夠難看的嘴臉

    有啥好同情的

    冰死他們的黃金歲月吧

     

    降低分配比例就會壓低上限

    今天給一個球隊6千萬上限

    還是大部份被1~3個人佔走

    其它人加起來分1/3不到的薪資總額

    那不如給一個球隊4000上限

    m型化才不會那麼嚴重

    巨頭合体幾率變小

    小球隊也比較有得玩

    看到"NBA32隊"就可以忽視下面的發言了... 

    完全同意.... 

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