太陽隊最近是怎麼了?  打的不是很理想! 而且只要太陽隊落後

總教練在第三節就把NASH給換下來(我覺得這樣不是會落後更多嗎?)   然後差距就越來越大!

太陽隊到底是怎麼了? 雖然有球評說太陽最近遇到的都是強隊,但是太陽本身實力也不弱阿!

問題到底是.....出在哪?

edisoncolor:

問題到底是.....出在哪?

sun's defense is below average, by giving up 103 points per game you have to make sure

your own offense is on the level so you can outscore the opponent, and if not you lose just like how spurs shut down suns couple days ago

i also see a problem for phoenix in their offence : that is they don't have a really good one-on-one player,

players like MJ, kobe, Shaq, or wade who don't really need a good PG(like nash) to get their points, and they can step up

when the whole team can not find the rythm to score, i think that is the same reason why the blazers lost to lakers in 2000.

The 2000 blazers is really good, having 2 starting 5 rotations, and can beat today's suns, mavs, and spurs in a 7 game playoff series,

but the only problem is that they don't have a superstar, so in the end this great team still got KO by shaq+kobe ....

I have seen the 1996 bulls team, and to me that is as good as a team can possibly be.

the 1996 bull tried to shut down you and outscore you AT THE SAME TIME, and that is how they go 72-10

 

練兵啦練兵!~

重點在季後賽啦!~

這樣安慰自己心情會好一點!~

太陽的打法太依賴NASH

 如果NASH不在場上就整個群龍無首

 況且如果遇上半場組織系統的打法  太陽的跑轟戰術很難施展得開

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PMABEAR:

練兵啦練兵!~

重點在季後賽啦!~

這樣安慰自己心情會好一點!~

我也認為有練兵的成份在，西區前三種子都沒有使出全力來打，因為排名大致已經定下來了，不會再有太大的變動了，因此，保留實力準備季後賽，不要太操先發以免受傷，同時練一練板凳或不同的先發陣容才是現在球隊在做的事。

your_airness:

sun's defense is below average, by giving up 103 points per game you have to make sure

your own offense is on the level so you can outscore the opponent, and if not you lose just like how spurs shut down suns couple days ago

i also see a problem for phoenix in their offence : that is they don't have a really good one-on-one player,

players like MJ, kobe, Shaq, or wade who don't really need a good PG(like nash) to get their points, and they can step up

when the whole team can not find the rythm to score, i think that is the same reason why the blazers lost to lakers in 2000.

The 2000 blazers is really good, having 2 starting 5 rotations, and can beat today's suns, mavs, and spurs in a 7 game playoff series,

but the only problem is that they don't have a superstar, so in the end this great team still got KO by shaq+kobe ....

I have seen the 1996 bulls team, and to me that is as good as a team can possibly be.

the 1996 bull tried to shut down you and outscore you AT THE SAME TIME, and that is how they go 72-10

 

太陽防守好或壞  反正已經是個無法討論的問題了  一講下去就是沒有結論  只講一句  用平均失分斷言任何一隊防守好或壞  都是很危險的

你提的主要問題  是太陽沒有關鍵能單打的角色  偏偏太陽隊型要求的就是不黏球  會單打的人  一定也會黏球  這是太陽打法本質上的無解  但太陽仍然有一個人符合你的想法－Nash  現在的Nash自己單打能力比上2季都好  可能就是太陽更上層樓的關鍵  作為攻擊發動者的Nash  也能作攻擊收尾者

拓荒者當年強歸強  說他們有2套5人先發其實是言過其實(至少替補SF和PG2個位置的人叫Augman和Anthony  任何一隊都不會是固定先發)  況且他們一定打的過現在的3強嗎？  這種不可能有答案的問題就別提了  他們當年打不贏湖人  也是那2個人一內一外太厲害了 

反正太陽打法在很多人看來是邪魔歪道  拜託太陽證明給我們看  團隊籃球也是能出頭天的

JON JOHNSON不就是會單打也不黏球的最好例子嗎?

要不是DIAW打出驚奇，要不他的出走對太陽損失不小。

YCL:

JON JOHNSON不就是會單打也不黏球的最好例子嗎?

要不是DIAW打出驚奇，要不他的出走對太陽損失不小。

JJ他當年單打有那麼厲害嗎？  我當年看到很少  所以不知道

何況your_airness大大提的所謂會單打的球員  他們名叫MJ, kobe, Shaq, or wade   恐怕不是Joe Johnson等級的單打能比的

太陽的隊型  只允許會組織又會單打的人單打  剩下的通通乖乖跑位接球投籃  所以單打很行組織無能的Banks沒有上場空間  能單打的只有太陽3個發動機  Nash  Diaw  Barbosa  這3位任何一位要和以上4位比單打能力  除了Nash外  Diaw和Barbosa好像都是XX比雞腿  所以說最接近的是Nash  關鍵時刻還是要靠他解救太陽隊 

沒錯，JOE JOHNSON當然不能跟你提的上述的球員比，但是JJ他的持球單打得分能力也比太陽大半球員好，這兩季如果在太陽，應該也是進攻上NASH、AMARE之外的第三選擇。而我的意思是，以太陽04~05那季的經驗來說，其實太陽是可以有單打能力不錯的球員，(當然不用KOBE、AI、WADE那麼變態)，甚至也可說需要。尤其季後賽更顯得出來，像是第一輪對灰熊JJ他的表現就非常出色，太陽也讓大家意外的以4比0橫掃，當NASH能吸引2個以上的包夾或是對到最會防守的球員，再傳給JJ單打對方剩下防守較不侵略的球員總是得心應手。也就是為什麼季後賽後來傷了JJ對太陽影響那麼大，對馬刺系列唯一的一勝也是JJ回來的時候，因為以太陽這種團隊、外線的球隊，遇到防守強度更強的季後賽或是被對方抓到戰術去打的時候，像AMARE的禁區和這種持球單打就顯的非常重要了。另外，JJ在老鷹黏不黏球我不知道，起碼在太陽那季NASH的發動下，JJ根本就是NASH的戰術配合者，埋伏底線的三分，或是最後才持球的單打，所以這不是問題。

太陽其實很需要單打好手的，要不是DIAW的驚奇和BELL適時補上SG的缺，否則JJ的出走，太陽不能強盛到現在。(但是還是快找這類的球員吧)這季有BARBOSA，但我覺得真要跟那季的JJ比，我覺得那時JJ得分穩定上還是比BARBOSA好一點，當然BARBOSA還有進步的空間，另外明星賽後，大家可以發現持球單打的BARBOSA得分變高了，團隊的MARION比較沉默，也就是對手越摸透太陽、防守越強勢時，能有單打能力的球員更顯重要，更有表現的空間。

至於你提到的BANKS，我只能說他似乎對太陽的打法還要多理解，還有他的外線要更準才行。

不懂耶

規定是不能打注音文

連一兩個字也不行 

但有人卻能打一整篇英文

也不是我看不懂

看了就很煩

好像又在逼我看原文書

X的會打中文又不是不會

Rimbaud:

只講一句  用平均失分斷言任何一隊防守好或壞  都是很危險的

ok... so phoenix scores 110 points per game, but that doesn't mean they are a good offensive team ???
if you don't want to talk about numbers that is fine ....
my point is that it is not really about "good" or "bad" defense, it is about "wanting" or "not wanting" to
play defense, i am not saying phoneix has bad defensive players, just that their style is really about outscoring, so they don't give too much thought on shutting down opponents ...... and that will be a problem if they play spurs in the 2nd round 

Rimbaud:

偏偏太陽隊型要求的就是不黏球  會單打的人  一定也會黏球 ...

agree, but this is the kind of player you need when the whole team can't make a shot ....

Rimbaud:

況且他們一定打的過現在的3強嗎？  這種不可能有答案的問題就別提了

sheed+sabonis+smith+pippen+stoudamire and a crazy bench ... the real question is that can today's spurs/mavs/suns EASILY beat the 2000 blazers??? can these 3 teams really take the 2000 lakers to a game 7??? maybe the mavs and spurs, but not the suns, shaq can get 50pts and 25rebs on diaw/amare, 38/18 even with double team ...

Rimbaud:

反正太陽打法在很多人看來是邪魔歪道  拜託太陽證明給我們看  團隊籃球也是能出頭天的

are you saying other good teams like spurs, mavs, and pistons don't play "team basketball"???? good luck anyway, your suns have to beat spurs, then mavs, then maybe pistons to win the ring ...

lin7hct7:

不懂耶

規定是不能打注音文

連一兩個字也不行 

但有人卻能打一整篇英文

也不是我看不懂

看了就很煩

好像又在逼我看原文書

X的會打中文又不是不會

不理我不就ok了? or do you really care about what i say???

lin7hct7:

不懂耶

規定是不能打注音文

連一兩個字也不行 

但有人卻能打一整篇英文

也不是我看不懂

看了就很煩

好像又在逼我看原文書

X的會打中文又不是不會

有人勉強你看嗎 X的

話說我覺得太陽應該在準備季後賽了 順便練兵一下 

今年太陽在沒登頂的話 距離冠軍就越來越遠了

lin7hct7:

不懂耶

規定是不能打注音文

連一兩個字也不行 

但有人卻能打一整篇英文

也不是我看不懂

看了就很煩

好像又在逼我看原文書

X的會打中文又不是不會

其實不難看懂  都是很淺顯易懂的英文  連我都看得懂了......

準備面對原文書的世界吧  高3生  嘿嘿嘿  連這個都看不懂或不想看  離21不遠矣