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[FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

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  •  07-13-2013, 1:19 上午 457826 in reply to 457817

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    alansocool:

    La Boy:
    老闆是俄羅斯人,可能也是AK加盟的因素

    Nets 老闆在俄羅斯有資產   很有可能在俄國直接給AK家人買豪宅等等暗盤   

    所以 AK願意選擇跳出下季與灰狼的1020萬美元合約  再以中產簽約   ( 因為簽太高薪  老闆要付豪華稅划不來 )

     

    Prokhorov的身家 要是能給AK千萬年薪再加上兩千萬的豪華稅 他大概也眉頭皺都不會皺一下

    問題是籃網沒辦法再offer更多錢 因為薪資已經破表 只有迷你中產(310M)可以用 

    至於暗盤什麼的 基本上不可能發生 因為一旦查到聯盟一定重罰 就像當初灰狼跟Joe Smith事件一樣

     


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  •  07-13-2013, 2:52 上午 457830 in reply to 457826

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    wesdeneo:
    alansocool:

    La Boy:
    老闆是俄羅斯人,可能也是AK加盟的因素

    Nets 老闆在俄羅斯有資產   很有可能在俄國直接給AK家人買豪宅等等暗盤   

    所以 AK願意選擇跳出下季與灰狼的1020萬美元合約  再以中產簽約   ( 因為簽太高薪  老闆要付豪華稅划不來 )

     

    Prokhorov的身家 要是能給AK千萬年薪再加上兩千萬的豪華稅 他大概也眉頭皺都不會皺一下

    問題是籃網沒辦法再offer更多錢 因為薪資已經破表 只有迷你中產(310M)可以用 

    至於暗盤什麼的 基本上不可能發生 因為一旦查到聯盟一定重罰 就像當初灰狼跟Joe Smith事件一樣

     

     

    搞不好暗盤早在一年前就在俄羅斯處理完了...

    這一季去灰狼只是過過水掩人耳目?


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  •  07-13-2013, 3:38 上午 457832 in reply to 457830

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    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets--deal-with-andrei-kirilenko-raises-suspicions-from-nba-rivals-180604173.html

    Brooklyn Nets' deal with Andrei Kirilenko raises suspicions from NBA rivals

    The rest of the NBA had resigned itself to billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov's relentless pursuit of players and playoff success, absorbing it all until the Brooklyn Nets are pushing an unprecedented $185 million in payroll and punitive taxes. From Deron Williams to Kevin GarnettPaul Pierce to Joe Johnson, these Nets embody the spirit of the Russian's imperialistic vision.

    Prokhorov had come to conquer the NBA, constructing a basketball arena in the borough of Brooklyn and empowering general manager Billy King to transform a barren roster into a championship contender. The Nets were destined to gather talent in this kind of boldly belligerent way, big names and bigger contracts stacked to the stars. From $101 million in salary to $82 million in luxury tax, Brooklyn has introduced itself as one of the biggest targets in the history of the NBA.

    Only this time, the rest of the NBA believes the Nets have gone too far, delivering the league into an unfiltered rage. The signing of Russian free agent Andrei Kirilenko – a $10 million-a-year player last season – for Brooklyn's $3.1 mini-midlevel exception has transformed rival owners and front office executives into an angry mob of disbelievers.

    The insinuations are unmistakable: Around the NBA, there are calls for the commissioner's office to investigate the possibilities of side deals and Russian rubles ruling the day – for now, unfounded charges based on circumstance and appearances.

    Within the NBA, there had long been those promising that deals would start popping up involvingProkhorov that made no fiscal sense, theorizing that high-end players could take less within the constraints of the salary cap and still make up the difference in clandestine pacts.

    Once the Russian billionaire convinced a superb Russian player to take $7 million less to be a backup to Pierce, the rest of the NBA's reaction was instant and uproarious. For the first time now, the Nets have truly arrived as a contending franchise. They're good, with a chance to be great, and the rest of the NBA wants an investigation.

     "Brazen," one Western Conference GM told Yahoo! Sports.

    "Let's see if the league has any credibility," one NBA owner told Yahoo! Sports. "It's not about stopping it. It's about punishing them if they're doing it."

    Another Eastern Conference GM: "There should be a probe. How obvious is it?"

    The telephone calls and text messages kept coming on Thursday night and Friday morning, and the reason was simple: Few trust Prokhorov to honor the NBA's salary-cap rules and regulations. He made his $15 billion fortune in the wild 1990s in Russia in what he called, "cowboy territory with no sheriff." Bribes were part of the business culture, and Prokhorov confessed to his part in it.

     It is easy to make the accusations, but harder to prove that Prokhorov and his management did anything but a solid sales job after the free-agent market had dried up onKirilenko. When it comes to uninhibited spending and free-agent coups, the modern NBA has a long list of targets. Understand something else, too: Plenty of American-born owners, running respected franchises, have come under these suspicions, too. Charges of side deals didn't start with Prokhorov and won't end with him.

    Nevertheless, this is the second time there's been questions about the Nets' signing of a foreign free agent below market value.

    A year ago, Brooklyn agreed on a full midlevel-exception deal with Euro forward Mirza Teletovic on a three-year, $15.7 million contract. Shortly after the agreement, Brooklyn realized it needed to alter the exception slot to still keep open the chance for cutting a trade for Dwight Howard. Without re-entering the market, Teletovic accepted a three-year, $9 million deal at the mini midlevel.

    Part of all this is the mystery surrounding Prokhorov, the distrust that comes with how he amassed his fortune, and his bold predictions of an NBA title within five years of purchasing the franchise.

    When the Boston Celtics made the Kevin Garnett deal to make themselves championship contenders, everyone accused Minnesota Timberwolves general manager Kevin McHale of preferential treatment of the Celtics and their general manager, Danny Ainge, in the deal. When Pat Riley brought LeBron James and Chris Bosh together for discounts on max contracts, there were cries of collusion.

     Nets officials will privately tell you they understand these suspicions were inevitable – even if they believe the suspicions are misguided and misinformed. Nevertheless, Kirilenko has long been a target of Prokhorov, the highest-profile Russian star in the NBA and forever an object of the owner's desire. The Nets were discussing deals to back up Pierce with the pedestrian Alan Anderson until discussions with Kirilenko became more serious in the past several days. 

    Kirilenko wanted a three-year deal with a minimum of $8 million per season, front-office executives said. Several teams, including the San Antonio Spurs, pursued Kirilenko with sign-and-trade discussions with Minnesota only nothing could get done. Kirilenko has history with Deron Williams, the Nets star. They played together for five years in Utah. Most of all, Kirilenko has history with Prokhorov. The billionaire owned CSKA Moscow, and Kirilenko played for him there, too. 

    The Nets pursued Kyle Korver with its $3.1 million exception to start free agency, but he re-signed with Atlanta. Eventually, Kirilenko and the Nets were left shopping, and a deal was consummated on Thursday.

     Brooklyn gets a strong, athletic defender to pursue James and Dwyane Wade in the playoffs, one more willing passer and scorer. For the Nets, too, they get the scorn of the sport now. Everyone can suggest it was easy to construct this roster with no financial limitations, but, rest assured, everyone couldn't have done what Prokhorov and King have done with these Nets – whatever everyone thinks. Brooklyn has arrived with suspicions and charges and jealousies, arrived in unmistakable and unprecedented noise. Here are the Nets now: From Russia, with loathe.  

     

  •  07-13-2013, 3:45 上午 457833 in reply to 457832

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    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    已經有其他老闆和GM要求聯盟展開調查是否有私下交易

    1. 過去Nets就幹過疑似私下交易的可能性 -  Mirza Teletovic 本來前年要用3年1570萬簽下, 但是考量要吸收D12的機會, 畫押之前臨時改成3年900萬.

    2. 田僑仔老闆有說過自己當初開墾時, "賄賂" 是他打通關的秘密武器

    3.  AK本來向Spurs開價3年2700萬, 這樣跟他最後一年的1000萬不會相差太遠, 可是AK最後居然只有1年310萬! 這每年700萬的差距不是"冠軍夢"可以解釋清楚的

    果然變成一場鄉土劇了......... 

     

  •  07-13-2013, 11:47 上午 457850 in reply to 457833

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    P大老闆當然給得起錢,也有本領私下給暗盤又不著痕跡。

    但何必呢?留著把柄給別人查,真正的超級有錢人才不會做這種蠢事。

    在極北戰鬥民族,人人都需要朋友。如果有個選過總統還活著沒坐牢的人願意認你當朋友,這可是千金難買的榮耀與保障。這時候還談什麼暗盤,根本膚淺了。

  •  07-13-2013, 11:52 上午 457851 in reply to 457826

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    wesdeneo:
    至於暗盤什麼的 基本上不可能發生 因為一旦查到聯盟一定重罰

    如果資產在美國  可能無法逃掉

    但資產在俄國或其他東歐國的話   只要資產不直接掛在AK名下    要查也不容易啊

    甚至   可以以儲蓄保險的方式    每月現金存進AK帳戶XX元    N年期滿一次領  

    ( 比如   蘇X全那種每月70多萬的保單  我算了一下如果別人幫蘇年繳840萬   6年儲蓄險保單期滿  蘇可領到約7000萬 )

    你也可以讓當保險的朋友算算   10年後可以領多少?  )



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  •  07-13-2013, 12:52 下午 457856 in reply to 457851

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    如果在境外多給 Kirilenko 錢的話,聯盟查的到嗎?


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  •  07-13-2013, 12:55 下午 457857 in reply to 457851

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    alansocool:

    但資產在俄國或其他東歐國的話   只要資產不直接掛在AK名下    要查也不容易啊

    甚至   可以以儲蓄保險的方式    每月現金存進AK帳戶XX元    N年期滿一次領  

    ( 比如   蘇X全那種每月70多萬的保單  我算了一下如果別人幫蘇年繳840萬   6年儲蓄險保單期滿  蘇可領到約7000萬 )

    你也可以讓當保險的朋友算算   10年後可以領多少?  )

    你這樣每個月一張單據,擺明是等人來掀底。

    送錢招式有三等。

    下等是留了單據文件等著被爆出來。

    中等是現金或無記名債券,頂多治你個財產不明。 

    上等是單據文件一應齊全,但就是連不上線。台灣營建業很懂這一套,所以查賄查到這裡都挫折很大。

    不過我還是老話一句,有P大老闆這樣的地位,一句口頭承諾勝過千萬美金,不需要再去傷腦筋給暗盤 。

  •  07-13-2013, 1:19 下午 457860 in reply to 457856

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    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    blue_steven:

    如果在境外多給 Kirilenko 錢的話,聯盟查的到嗎?

    看情況.

    俄羅斯沒有像台灣(的官員)那麼弱, 美國不敢在俄羅斯大查稅

    中南美那些第三世界也有很多不理美國, 例如古巴, 美國是沒有權力的

    但若是像Puerto Rico這種需要跟美國緊緊相依的國家, 就絕對是一片蛋糕的簡單 

     

  •  07-13-2013, 3:57 下午 457882 in reply to 457832

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    說真的很少球員會願意降這麼多薪水,連灰狼給的一半都不到真的太扯了
  •  07-13-2013, 3:59 下午 457883 in reply to 457818

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    E N J O Y:

    我覺得籃網會重蹈湖人的覆轍

    看似戰力驚人

    但經不起傷兵一堆

    別忘了

    一堆球員已經超過32歲了

    光是可用之兵板凳深度和球隊誰當老大這兩部份

    就比前一次湖人樂觀太多了

    再來就看Kidd和教練團了

  •  07-13-2013, 4:34 下午 457892 in reply to 457860

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    因為薪資上限,所以籃網僅能開價310萬給Kirilenko;不然以籃網老闆的財力,跟去年今年那些滿出來的薪資,真的需要Kililenko的話,不會有人覺得一年一千萬以上的複數約是問題吧?那麼籃網老闆有沒有給Kirilenko額外的暗盤?個人認為沒有,什麼現金債卷股票房地產黃金鑽石...那些等同於錢一樣的東西都沒有。當然作弊給錢的方法隨便想都一大票,但何必呢?

    我是Kirilenko,給我100萬的底薪我都加入籃網,所謂在家靠父母出外靠朋友,能賣面子給這樣有錢有勢的人的機會實在是不多。NBA沒有打一輩子的,將來回到家鄉有這麼一位大靠山罩著,少拿幾百萬美金實在是太便宜了。

    Kirilenko的身手當然不止310萬,剩下的就當作是人情價,免費的東西永遠是最貴的。

    籃網隊以低於行情價簽下Kirilenko,成功;但真正的贏家是Kirilenko,他賺到了比錢更難得到的東西。

  •  07-13-2013, 4:41 下午 457894 in reply to 457850

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    marchen:

    P大老闆當然給得起錢,也有本領私下給暗盤又不著痕跡。

    但何必呢?留著把柄給別人查,真正的超級有錢人才不會做這種蠢事。

    在極北戰鬥民族,人人都需要朋友。如果有個選過總統還活著沒坐牢的人願意認你當朋友,這可是千金難買的榮耀與保障。這時候還談什麼暗盤,根本膚淺了。

    Total Agree

    有在社會上打拼過就知道這是多麼難得的機會,只有蠢蛋在這種千載難逢的時候還要收暗盤。

  •  07-13-2013, 4:57 下午 457896 in reply to 457883

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    我是真的覺得沒啥暗盤好查的 

    一來基本上只要有super team的產生 一定就會有其他眼紅的GM或老闆在別處該該叫

    超塞換到KG的時候是這樣 (McHale把KG送給自家人!)

    湖人換到Gasol的時候也是這樣 (West授意Chris Wallace把Gasol送給自家人!) 

    熱火三王合體時也是這樣 (三個人在2008年京奧時就說好要一起加盟邁阿密!)

     

    二來就像marchen兄所說的 就算是P老闆買通了AK好了

    以他的能力 根本不用私底下送豪宅現金什麼的給AK 留下證據給人抓

    甚至不用讓AK在退休回俄羅斯後到CSKA擔任職位落人口實

    靠P老闆的人脈跟政治圈的影響力 只要幫AK拱上個政府的高官職位如某某體育委員會主席什麼的

    以AK在俄羅斯籃壇的地位(如姚明在中國的地位) 大概也沒有什麼人會跳出來反對 

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  •  07-13-2013, 6:27 下午 457905 in reply to 457883

    Re: [FA]Andrei Kirilenko投靠Nets, 2年中產(310萬首年)

    cannibal123:
    E N J O Y:

    我覺得籃網會重蹈湖人的覆轍

    看似戰力驚人

    但經不起傷兵一堆

    別忘了

    一堆球員已經超過32歲了

    光是可用之兵板凳深度和球隊誰當老大這兩部份

    就比前一次湖人樂觀太多了

    再來就看Kidd和教練團了

    這要等球季開打了才知道

    蠻多都是需要一球在手樂趣無窮的球員

    而且實質領袖應該是威廉斯

    但精神領袖卻應該是PP和KG

    上面還有個奇德

    我看威廉斯不發瘋才怪!!

    上季球隊一堆球星也沒打進冠軍賽

    這次星光大道來加持我還是不看好!!


    那激情誘惑的氛圍 是我抵抗不了的原罪

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