Nocioni跟Deng的差距在上個球季已經非常明顯了, 就算Noci年紀跟Deng一樣大, Deng就是比他厲害

我非常不喜歡這個交易, 因為這樣會打壞公牛好不容易建立起來的Chemistry, 何況少了那四個球員, 多個Kobe, 公牛的禁區戰力還是那麼薄弱的狀況下, 真的有多大的奪冠機會?

Kobe到時候呆個兩年沒冠軍, 是不是就直接用跳脫條款走人? 那公牛不就交易心酸的?

的確, NBA是個只看現在的運動, 只是如果今天公牛是靠大失血來取得Kobe, 我不認為奪冠的機會會比我們保持原班人馬還要高出多少...(不過是一定有比較高沒錯)

再加上Kobe雖然30歲了, 可是他也打了超過10年NBA了, 膝蓋的問題影響會越來越大, 的確他是現在聯盟最強的SG, 只是我認為公牛沒必要冒這個險, 公牛已經不是Jordan時期的公牛了, 我不認為我們會一定需要一個超級明星, 來讓自己有奪冠的本錢, Paxson一直是把公牛當成之前活塞的那種隊伍來建造, 是靠團隊取勝, 如果現再把四個人交易換成Kobe...似乎跟他的方針是不合的

我反對這個交易, 因為我認為這個交易對公牛的實質幫助不會有想像中的大. 我相信大部分的湖人迷也是不喜歡這個交易吧?

如果以拿冠軍為目標

小牛或許才是 Kobe 更想去的球隊

問題是小牛也不能為了 Kobe 而失去更多自己的人手
所以種種考量勢必經過一番評估
湖人若能接受選秀權最好
小牛要是把 Kobe 與 Dirk 兩位好好打造
未來幾年應還不需要手輪選秀權

湖人真的受不了 Kobe 了嗎 ?
真是一番掙扎......
放棄 Kobe 又是另一翻重建的開始

公牛維持原貌會比較好
但他們自己想拿冠軍的路
最快的還是累積季後賽經驗
加上有騎士與波士頓等擋路
即便公牛沒爭取 Kobe
公牛也有很多事要做
最好現在的心力就做開季準備
不要去淌渾水
攪這一池春水

當年大歐+kobe

打馬刺都打的很吃力

我看Dirk+kobe

也是打不過馬刺

kobe到公牛比較有希望

可是公牛高層的算盤精的很

湖人如果想佔公牛便宜

這比交易可能不了了之......

個人感覺,如果交易真的成功的話,公牛有東區冠軍的希望!!

班蛙+kobe+Deng+Kirk+Joe Smith(最不怎樣的一個)= 算是滿黃金的先發

板凳有Duhon, Sefolosha,Griffin等防守悍將,還有新秀Gray(投籃滿準的白人中鋒,籃板也OK), Curry(得分很不錯), Gardner(我有看pre-season他很能灌,能切)

這樣的公牛,真的很強~(本身住芝加哥,真希望kobe能帶領公牛殺進總冠軍)

反正在東區碰不到小牛馬刺等強隊,頂多一個綠衫軍來攪和,所以其實公牛只要過的了綠色三巨頭(沒板凳的一隊),冠軍硬ㄠ一下,很有希望啦!!

冠軍都是靠明星,想想熱火與小牛那年,真的不行,kobe就學一下wade的製造犯規大法吧!!!反正,KOBE快來公牛吧!!

BB仔！:

當年大歐+kobe

打馬刺都打的很吃力

我看Dirk+kobe

也是打不過馬刺

kobe到公牛比較有希望

可是公牛高層的算盤精的很

湖人如果想佔公牛便宜

這比交易可能不了了之......

 吃力歸吃力, 自Phil jackson到了湖人後, 大歐跟kobe合作了五年, 季後賽也只輸過給馬刺一次

另外, espn說有報導說湖人不會主動談kobe的交易, 而kobe今天也有練球, 看來短期來不會有交易

如果成真!?

那今年的東區又多了一個競逐冠軍的強力挑戰者喔!!

不過公牛的先發真的有奪冠的實力,但是替補的部份可能失分許多...

所以若是交易成真,加強替補將是芝加哥接下來要加強的首要工作囉!!

KG會不會有點嘔啊!?

這筆交易公牛非常吃虧～

拿年輕小將去換一個30歲的球員～

雖然KOBE還能打！但是還能幾年呢？是個問號～

我在季前練習賽，覺得公牛現在的陣容真的很好了～

除了SG高度不夠，但是我覺得GARDAN可以培養！他是個不錯的球員～

franchise player is hardest to get, role players are every where in the market.  

to any team Kobe is the franchise to built around, you have the center piece everything will fall into place.   the four players in the trade rumor are all replaceable, but can you find anyone to replace Kobe?  

 even there is a replacement, it may be 1 or 2 players,so the chances of you getting that 1 or 2 player is very little, that is why franchise players are so valueable.

Of I am Bulls I will try everything to make the trade happen.

Gordan-scorer   reminds me of Bobby Jackson, Tony Delk, Byron Scott at best

Nocioni-tough D, mid range jumper, good d-rebounder likes Danny Aiege, Scott Wedman, Chris Mullins at best (not Chris Mullin good)

Tyrus Thomas- O reb and energy guy  role of Anton Carr,Cliff Livingston,Kevin Willis at best 

Noah- potential ... not proven in NBA

 When you have someone like Kobe who is a creater, you will not need someone like Gordan to create his own shot, you will need spot-up shooters like 80,90's Hodges, Armstrong, Paxon, Kerr

You will need rebounder... Big Ben = Rodman

Post Defender and big dummies, smart point guard (kirk) good wing man (Luol) and lot of luck...

Only question is  the most important question is KOBE PASSED HIS PRIME? 

我想Deng是在未來性比Nocioni好   但是也別把Noci說的真的比不上Deng  在防守跟強悍度方面   我認為Noci做到了很多看不太出來的地方

Kobe是30歲了  他是打了NBA也10年了   但這個是你們懷疑他還能打幾年的主要原因嗎?應該不是吧  現在可是他最精華的時期   以他的好勝心   還有他在美錦賽的表現   有人會懷疑他還能打幾年而已嗎?

善與惡的交會:

我想Deng是在未來性比Nocioni好   但是也別把Noci說的真的比不上Deng  在防守跟強悍度方面   我認為Noci做到了很多看不太出來的地方

Kobe是30歲了  他是打了NBA也10年了   但這個是你們懷疑他還能打幾年的主要原因嗎?應該不是吧  現在可是他最精華的時期   以他的好勝心   還有他在美錦賽的表現   有人會懷疑他還能打幾年而已嗎?

 

今天我說的不是KOBE的年紀, 而是他的球齡, 還有早期的打法, 都讓他的膝蓋承受了不少的壓力, 而他這幾年季賽也開始會停賽, 是會讓我懷疑他的巔峰時期還能多久....而且我也說了我最不想要KOBE來公牛的重點, 是我怕會破壞掉好不容易建立起來的團隊默契跟文化

只要你是在場上的公牛球員, 你就必須要會防守, 而且要肯防守, 不防守就等著坐板凳!! 連Ben Gordon這種剛進聯盟的時候不知道防守為何物的球員, 過了這幾年防守功力也都大增, 而且防守也都很賣力, 因為他知道不管他投進再多球, 在防守端偷懶, Skiles直接讓他坐板凳...公牛就是因為沒有所謂的"大牌". 大家都得聽教練的, 所以這幾年強悍的防守才會形成

來說KOBE, 我可以很肯定的說, 以防守功力來說, 公牛裡沒有一個鋒衛能跟他比 (Kirk Hinrich跟他的防守功力我認為也不算接近), 可是今天重點是, Kobe是想防守的時候才防守的球員, 他並不是一個無時無刻都戰戰兢兢防守的球員(如Hinrich), 而Skiles的牌子有大到可以讓Kobe聽他指揮, 這也有疑問, 不要搞到後來, Phil Jackson又想回來公牛教球....我是不希望看到洛杉磯那一套又遷回芝加哥...

至於你說Noci的部份, 的確他打球就是比Deng還要悍多了, 這也是Deng非常需要加強的地方...可是Noci的速度本來就不快了, 腳受傷後速度更慢, 比較快的小前鋒基本上他守不太住, 而且他常常為了想補防而漏掉自己的人, 反而造成空檔....真的要說的話, Luol Deng的防守是已經超越Nocioni了

become Barkeley:

franchise player is hardest to get, role players are every where in the market.  

to any team Kobe is the franchise to built around, you have the center piece everything will fall into place.   the four players in the trade rumor are all replaceable, but can you find anyone to replace Kobe?  

 even there is a replacement, it may be 1 or 2 players,so the chances of you getting that 1 or 2 player is very little, that is why franchise players are so valueable.

Of I am Bulls I will try everything to make the trade happen.

Gordan-scorer   reminds me of Bobby Jackson, Tony Delk, Byron Scott at best

Nocioni-tough D, mid range jumper, good d-rebounder likes Danny Aiege, Scott Wedman, Chris Mullins at best (not Chris Mullin good)

Tyrus Thomas- O reb and energy guy  role of Anton Carr,Cliff Livingston,Kevin Willis at best 

Noah- potential ... not proven in NBA

 When you have someone like Kobe who is a creater, you will not need someone like Gordan to create his own shot, you will need spot-up shooters like 80,90's Hodges, Armstrong, Paxon, Kerr

You will need rebounder... Big Ben = Rodman

Post Defender and big dummies, smart point guard (kirk) good wing man (Luol) and lot of luck...

Only question is  the most important question is KOBE PASSED HIS PRIME? 

 

No offense bro, but i think you underrated Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas's potential...and most important thing, as i mentioned before, TEAM CHEMISTRY!!

Last season, Ben Gordon was 9th in point per game, people scored more than him played at least 5 min more per game than him. Gordon's defense also been underrated by the whole league since he was a terrible defender in his rookie season so people tend to think he's still suck at defense now.

Tyrus Thomas is just entering his 2nd season, how can you tell his limit is Kevin Willis really beyond me... He proved last season that he can be a game changer defensive type player,  he saved bulls few games last season, included a game winning tip in when against Denver...he's still extreme raw, but his limit is not Kevin Willis. He's going to be a star....or a bust, and it's still hard to tell now

As Noah, he hasn't play a game yet, I wont common on him.

Nocioni is a great bench player for bulls, both on court and off court.

Again, none of those players are half as good as kobe. However, basketball is not play by one person, it's 5 on 5. If you followed Chicago Bulls after John Paxson became the GM, you'll see very clearly that he's trying to build a team like Piston in 04.  five "good" players with "great" team chemistry.

 They already built their reputation as a elite defensive team, because they belive that defense win you the championship. This year, without aging PJ Brown, *** Sweetney and Malik "I only know how to shoot J" Allen, and add Joakim Noah, Joe Smith and improved Tyrus Thomas, their defensive will be even better. However if the trade happen....their the chemistry needs to be rebuild again...and chemistry is not something you can have with time....

I belive and "great team chemistry" is more important than a one superstar...and it's not like bulls wont have any stars in near future. Luol Deng,  Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich are all "star quality" player, and we still have a "star potential" player in Tyrus Thomas...

the most important word...."TEAM"

這.....不是這樣說的吧?

因為大歐加Kobe打馬刺打得很辛苦

所以Dirk+Kobe應該也打不過馬刺?

這意思是說Dirk不比大歐

所以小牛還是打不贏馬刺?

怎麼聽說當年小牛沒有Kobe也是打贏馬刺晉級總冠軍賽?

大大給的感覺好像看不起小牛....

無心筆戰   可能是我太愛鑽牛角尖了

想要拿到分區冠軍 內線必須足夠

公牛換來布萊恩 好的替補都在後場

葛雷未來2年幫助不大

光靠老化的史密斯跟大班撐住禁區想要衝過東區

我認為籃網還比公牛強上不少

其實我覺得這個交易滿好的，

反正湖人要的是未來，

公牛要的現在。

以現在的情勢看起來也是如此，

湖人要等敗男的崛起，就跟一票的潛力股一起等吧！

公牛想要趕緊衝冠軍去跟騎士、活賽、塞爾提克一較高下，那就衝吧！

一個是未來；一個是現在。

各取所需，沒什麼不好的。